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Over Christmas I raided one of my Nana's photo albums, encountering wonderful things like this:

This one's from 1914 or '15, and one of the only pictures of my great-grandfather Oscar and Nana Kinch. Why Oscar's doing an anachronistic W.C. Fields impression, no one knows. The woman on the right with the piercing stare is Edith May Palmer. That's the only thing I know about her. But those eyes! I wish I knew more.

More pics behind the cut:




My grand-uncle Herbert is the little boy in the front seat. He's sitting on the lap of Nana's Uncle Frank, who couldn't look any more like a gangster if he was slugging Dick Tracy.



Mom's high school graduation picture. Damn. Just....damn.



Mom, Nana and Uncle Robert, sometime in the '70s. For the record, this is the funkiest I have ever seen my mother look.



My sister and I, ages 1 and 5. I still have that Bugs Bunny, though the ears are gone and Nana encased him in a protective corduroy 'bodysuit' a few years after this picture was taken.



Me, last year of high school/first year of college-ish.

Date: 2006-01-02 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ice-cream-eyes.livejournal.com
Oh my god! Those are awesome! I can see the resemblence between you and your mom. And yet you look so different in that last one!

Were you always so funny or did that develop as you got older? I am curious because Oliver tries to be funny and often fails miserably, while Arthur cracks us up without even trying . . . So far my only recommendation to Oliver is to watch more Marx Brothers. But I am wondering if it is genetic rather than learned?

Date: 2006-01-02 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
Oooo, the Origins of Comedy. This is one of my pet ponderings--I can talk about it for hours (and have; just ask Deb).

I remember trying to be funny as a kid; mostly what I remember are the times I totally failed, or succeeded accidentally. The first time I remember ever trying to be intentionally funny and succeeding was in 6th grade, when we were all assigned a freestyle two-page creative writing assignment. I turned in a story about aliens freezing everyone on a school bus and trying to make sense of the things they saw going on; the teacher read it to the class, everyone laughed, and suddenly I was The Funny Guy.

Two other big formative things happened that year: I discovered 'The Doctor Demento Show' on the radio and suddenly had a weekly source of parodies and stand-up routines and just plain odd songs; and one morning Lena Murch interrupted me halfway through a story to say, with scorn, "You've told me that before." I was crushed. And for a long time after that I tried really, really hard to NEVER tell the same story twice. (These days, though, I'm an uncle. Uncles are required by law to tell the same story 39 times.)

The thing of it is, there are different kinds of funny, and some can be learned and some are totally inherent. There's storytelling, like [livejournal.com profile] coscaram, which I think can be learned (though god and Lena know *I* can't do it); there's movement, like [livejournal.com profile] triplehdm can do, which I think is one of those 'ya got it or ya don't' traits; there's comedic improv, one place where all y'all in that house shine (damn youuuuu); and on and on and on. (There's also punning, comping ((the thing I do the most)), referencing/parodizing, taboo, uplifting...seriously, I CAN talk about this for hours).

If Oliver's as smart as I think he is, he's already observing what works and what doesn't and moving closer to a style that'll get him laughs. The Marx Brothers is a great idea because of the wide range of comedy styles they do; another thing you might consider is maybe a variety show like, oh, just as a random example, Doctor Demento. You'll see; he'll find something that clicks.

Date: 2006-01-05 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diabological.livejournal.com
That whole explanation peaked my interest because I am trying to incorporate more laughs into my writing and just not making it. Comedy is so delicate. It takes a certain amount of building up something large and then switching the focus suddenly back to something small. Its not enough to set up unusual circumstances, and see what happens. its very precise. Also I have a british sense of humor where everyone is running around the same house experiencing a giant miscommunication. It drives my boyfriend crazy because when southpark is on I don't laugh.

Date: 2006-01-02 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malterre.livejournal.com
Those are great. It's fun to see who passed down what in the genetic olympics.
I love that last pic of you. I *totally* would have dated you in High School.

Date: 2006-01-02 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
Hee! But in High School I was a neurotic virgin who was very, very clueless about how to appropriately make my feelings known.

*five minute pause while I consider how little has changed...*

Where was I...oh! It *is* a good pic, though, isn't it? Somehow all the photos from 7th through 10th grades ("The Acne Years") seem to have disappeared somewhere.

Date: 2006-01-02 10:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prettydark.livejournal.com
these are wonderful :)

Date: 2006-01-02 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malinaldarose.livejournal.com
Early 70's for the funky pic, I'd say; my Auntie had the same hairstyle and glasses....

Date: 2006-01-02 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snowwand.livejournal.com
don't you just love old pictures? I can barely get them away from my grandmother...but its ok, since I don't know who the people are...so she gets to tell me and stuff

Date: 2006-01-02 10:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] themikado.livejournal.com
I love old photos. When I was a little younger I used to go through my gran's photo albums. You know there's this British (or at least European) stereotype that we all live in castles over here? Well, some of my family actually did grow up in a castle a couple of genefrations back, which was cool.

Must find those albums again next time I go to visit my gran!

Date: 2006-01-02 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flyingjunk.livejournal.com
That last picture is cute. Your mom and nana remind me of my mom and grandmom.

Date: 2006-01-02 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bootsvalentine.livejournal.com
Oh Edith May!
And your mom's a cutie!

Date: 2006-01-02 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silveroak.livejournal.com
Thanks for sharing those. I am currently scanning my holidays throughout the ages.

Date: 2006-01-02 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flopart.livejournal.com


da-aaamn.

i SO would have dated you in high school. but you're probably a ton cooler now.

Date: 2006-01-03 01:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistahraven.livejournal.com
Wow, great photos - and it's funny that the 5 year old you looks more like you now than the high-school you.

And you're right, man... those eyes in the first picture... just woah.

Date: 2006-01-05 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
it's funny that the 5 year old you looks more like you now than the high-school you.

Y'know, I have some theories about that...none of them good, unfortunately.

Date: 2006-01-03 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stickemup.livejournal.com
Look at you! You were the guy in the Cure t-shirt in high school, weren't you?

Date: 2006-01-03 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
Oh, I *wish* I'd been cool enough for the Cure in high school. I actually didn't even hear them until I got to college.

I'm not gonna reveal which t-shirts I *did* have, because I like to believe you respect me. And if I was dumb enough to tell you that my first album was Mr. Roboto, there's no way you'd......d'oh!

Date: 2006-01-03 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stickemup.livejournal.com
What do you MEAN?!?!?! You're talking to someone who considers themselves a mild Styx fan. And Mr. Roboto is an amazing fucking song! Hey dude, if you're the guy who listened to Styx, then I'm that weird chick that hung out with those dudes.

Date: 2006-01-03 04:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feyfire.livejournal.com
Those are totally wonderful! I love old pictures of any age and it's great to see the resemblance between you and your mom :)

(It's Lana in IC guise. I forgot to switch nicks and am being lazy)

Date: 2006-01-03 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] heavenscalyx.livejournal.com
Wow! Your mom and my mom could be sisters, separated at birth, based on their high school photos!

There's an Edith M. Palmer listed thusly in 1910 (Levant Town, Penobscot County, Maine):
French, Eben P, Head of household, M, W, 54, 2nd marriage, born in Maine, parents born in Maine, occupation: general farmer
French, Alice J, Wife, F, W, 56; 6 children, 3 living; born in Maine, parents born in Maine
Palmer, Edith M., Step-daughter, F, W, 33, Divorced; 4 children, 3 living; born in Maine, parents born in Maine
Palmer, Lanorie A, Step-grandchild, F, W, 11, born in Maine, father English Canadian, mother born in Maine
Palmer, Roy E, Step-grandchild, M, W, 5, born in Maine, father English Canadian, mother born in Maine

In 1920, there is a divorced Edith M Palmer listed in Eddington, Penobscot Cty, Maine, living as a servant with brothers Arthur E and Elmer H Shorey.

By 1930, though, Edith was living with son Roy back in Levant Town:
Palmer, Roy E, Head of household, M, W, 26, M at age 21, occupation: general farmer
Palmer, Mina J, Wife, Wife, F, W, 26, M at age 21
Palmer, Charles S, Son, M, W, 6
Palmer, Byron E, Son, M, W, 4 and 4 months
Palmer, Edith M, Mother, F, W, 52, Widowed (which is a change of tune),

Date: 2006-01-03 02:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hazeleyedfae.livejournal.com
Nice shots of you and the 'oldfamilia'. Love the gangster hat. ;)

How far back do you think some of her pictures go, B?

Date: 2006-01-05 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
1914 was the oldest one in this album. There were other albums we didn't get to, though...I wouldn't be surprised if there were some from a generation earlier.

photos

Date: 2006-01-03 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] morgan-lafaye.livejournal.com
The photos are so cool. Its nice to see where you've come from. I think everyones Auntie had the same hair, sweater glasses combo. I know mine did.

Date: 2006-01-04 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] coscaram.livejournal.com
Thanks for sharing these! One of the great aspects of our time is that now that you have scanned these photos, they'll never be lost!

Date: 2006-01-05 08:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diabological.livejournal.com
Oh and in high school were you the guy everyone thought was a satanist?

Date: 2006-01-05 04:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oakenguy.livejournal.com
Ha! No, those were the metal folks with the big hair and the Judas Priest t-shirts who took "Running With the Devil" literally.

We didn't even know the term "goth"...by dint of being in the drama club I automatically became a Pib, a "Person In Black". My favorite t-shirt was a black shirt with a little white question mark on the chest.

Date: 2006-01-07 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corniecorn.livejournal.com
what cool pictures :>

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